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  Remember when HITTING A WOMAN was just WRONG!

  by pistolpete in

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  just a few years ago, any man that slapped a women was considered a piece of shit.

  today people are are paying and cheering to see a man knocking the shit out of a woman.

  what feminists, social warriors, and gender recognition fighters don't realized is that their actions are actually causing the world to revert back to the days when the world treated women as property, second class species, with no rights whatsoever, whose only value was a sex instrument for the male species.

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  Revision of last paragraph of prior post: I purchased a booklet called The Magna Charta of Woman (of an edition from 1975, but originally published in 1919 as The "Magna Charta" of Woman "According to the Scriptures"), by Jessie Penn-Lewis (a woman). [Its scripture quotes are from the Revised Version Bible of 1884.] I am also impressed by that book, and that book says that according the scriptures women don't have to be silent in the church nor keep their heads covered in church. It also says women should be allowed to preach and teach in the church. I think I read a reference to that book (or maybe to a reference to woman named Dr. Bushnell") from Montgomery's NT. Reading this book, the NT by Montgomery, and footnotes in the RSV Bible, during the time I was an independent minded Christian (though still attending the JW memorials and some JW conventions at the time) convinced me that the Bible, when translated properly and interpreted accurately, does not forbid women from being deacons or even elders in Christian congregations.
  

  The last paragraph in the "About the Author" section of The Magna Charta of Woman book says the following.

  "Few women in modern times have left so profound an impression on their generation, and few have so boldly and biblically stated the value of their gender. Jessie Penn-Lewis was the embodiment of Women's Liberation in its best and noblest sense." The first chapter of the The Magna Charta of Woman book is called ' "Ye All Can Prophesy...." '.

  Correction: In my recent post about hitting (the one which is two posts prior to this one), where I said "One a young woman ..." I should have said "One time a young woman ...". Where I said " I didn't fight back because I believed that a man should never hit a woman in (at the time) but should I had kicked her back?" I should have said " I didn't fight back because I believed (at the time) that a man should never hit a woman, but should I had kicked back at her?"
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  Remember when HITTING A WOMAN was just WRONG!

  by pistolpete in

  1. social
  2. current

  just a few years ago, any man that slapped a women was considered a piece of shit.

  today people are are paying and cheering to see a man knocking the shit out of a woman.

  what feminists, social warriors, and gender recognition fighters don't realized is that their actions are actually causing the world to revert back to the days when the world treated women as property, second class species, with no rights whatsoever, whose only value was a sex instrument for the male species.

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  If women are to receive and maintain equal rights with men then that means they should have equal responsibility for their actions and receive equal punishments as men as well. If a woman has a right to hit a man in self defense, then a man should have a right to hit a woman in self defense - if the woman is to have equal rights with men and not some special unequal rights over men. Feminism is about equal rights for both women and men. Men, not just women, can than be feminists (without having to act feminine). I believe in feminism (since my teen years in the 1970s), though I am a man, because I believe in equal rights. The political party in the USA called the Green Party has feminism as a part of its political platform and for a period of time I was a member of that political third-party.

  The entire time I was a ministerial servant I disapproved of the WT/JW policy of not allowing women to be elders and ministerial servants in the congregation, but I went along with the policy because of writings in the Bible attributed to the Apostle Paul teaching such. But, I also (though secretly) disapproved of the Apostle Paul (and thus also the Bible) teaching such. Many years later, after I stopped attending JW meetings (other than the memorial and the conventions for several years), I found at a thrift store an New Testament translated entirely by a woman scholar (who was a baptist) and published by a Baptist publishing house. [Her translation was the second NT to be entirely translated by a woman and the first to be published by a publishing house instead of being self-published. The first one to be translated by a woman was a very literal Bible translated from the Hebrew and Greek (consisting of both the OT and the NT).] It had footnotes saying that Paul was not against women speaking and teaching in the congregations and being deacons in the congregations, and it gave textual reasons in support of such. It also said that in a verse in the NT the Greek text says that a particular woman was a deacon. I was surprised and pleased to learn such and I accepted such as truth.

  The baptist NT Bible translated by a woman interestingly had the name Jehovah used in one verse in the first printing of that NT Bible. That Bible is called the Centenary Translation of the New Testament, Published to signalize the completion of the first hundred years of work of the American Baptist Publication Society, Translated by Helen Barrett Montgomery A. M., D. H, L., LL. D. It is copyright 1924. In a later edition the title was changed (to say, I think, the Montgomery New Testament).

  I purchased a booklet called The Magna Charta of Woman (originally in 1919 published as The "Magna Charta" of Woman "According to the Scriptures"), by Jessie Penn-Lewis. [Its scripture quotes are from the Revised Version Bible of 1884.] That book also says that according the scriptures that women don't have to be silent in the church nor keep their heads covered in church. It also says they should be allowed to preach and teach in the church and I think I read that Montgomery made a reference to that book.
  
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  Remember when HITTING A WOMAN was just WRONG!

  by pistolpete in

  1. social
  2. current

  just a few years ago, any man that slapped a women was considered a piece of shit.

  today people are are paying and cheering to see a man knocking the shit out of a woman.

  what feminists, social warriors, and gender recognition fighters don't realized is that their actions are actually causing the world to revert back to the days when the world treated women as property, second class species, with no rights whatsoever, whose only value was a sex instrument for the male species.

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  If a woman (perhaps part of a gang) hits a man repeatedly (such as on the street, I'm not talking about a boxing match), should the man have the right to hit the woman back? Or is it always wrong in every circumstance for a man to hit a woman?

  What about the situation of a married couple in which the wife (the woman) is taller, much heavier, and stronger than her husband (the man) and is physically abusive to her husband? Spousal abuse of men by their female wives happens. It is a reality. Should such men have a right to hit back to defend themselves (though hitting back in that circumstance might be foolish)?

  One a young woman (who was much heavier/fatter than I, and probably taller than I) co-worker kicked me (for no reason that I could determine; she was angry at me but I had no idea why) in the office at the bank in which we worked. I was a ministerial servant (and a regular pioneer) at the time. I neither fought back nor yelled at her. My supervisor (a woman) was surprised at my inaction towards the violence. I didn't fight back because I believed that a man should never hit a woman in (at the time) but should I had kicked her back? I was in a lot of pain for having been kicked in the leg.
  

  Furthermore, if it is always wrong for a man to hit a woman, does that mean it is always wrong for men in times of war to drop bombs onto civilian populations (since the populations include women and children)? Furthermore, Israel and a number of other countries have women soldiers. Does than mean that men soldiers of the competing countries fighting against the countries of the women combatants must not fire weapons at the women soldiers?
  

  It seems to me that many of those who say it is always wrong for a man to hit a woman are inconsistent in their beliefs.
  
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  Will Christ Be Ashamed To Claim P.IM.O.'s?

  by IWant2Leave in

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  i started my fade about two years ago and at present i have no intention of writing a disassociation letter.

  the pros and cons of being p.i.m.o.

  have been discussed on this forum many times.

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  Disillusioned JW

  Besides the numerous Protestant churches and the Roman Catholic Church, even orthodox Christianity is divided into Greek Orthodox, Russian Orthodox, Coptic Orthodox, and Ethiopian Orthodox - with each of those four churches having a different canon of scripture books and with each of those canons differing from that of the Roman Catholic Church and the Protestant Churches. Likewise the canon of the Jewish religion is different from all of the Christian canons (and the canon of the Samaritan religion differs from that of the Jewish religion). See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_canon .
  
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  Will Christ Be Ashamed To Claim P.IM.O.'s?

  by IWant2Leave in

  1. watchtower
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  i started my fade about two years ago and at present i have no intention of writing a disassociation letter.

  the pros and cons of being p.i.m.o.

  have been discussed on this forum many times.

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  Disillusioned JW

  If Christ is real then he and the holy spirit (if he or it is real) need to do a much better job communicating with sincere prayerful Christians, telling them very clearly what Christ's teachings are. Christianity is so very divided doctrinally, with a wide diversity of conflicting doctrines between its various churches, denominations, sects, and cults. If Christ exists, then it doesn't make sense that there are so many different churches, denominations, sects, and cults of of non-orthodox Christianity.
  
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  Will Christ Be Ashamed To Claim P.IM.O.'s?

  by IWant2Leave in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i started my fade about two years ago and at present i have no intention of writing a disassociation letter.

  the pros and cons of being p.i.m.o.

  have been discussed on this forum many times.

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  Disillusioned JW

  IWant2Leave, since you believe in Christ, why not pray to him (and/or the Father) about the matter, telling him(them) your thoughts and feelings on the matter and asking for his(their) guidance on the matter? Then pay attention to see (or hear) what guidance/answer you receive from him(them), if any. According to one of the gospels, Jesus said that 'anything you ask the father in my name I will give it'. [I also think that one verse, in at least one manuscript says "me" instead of Father".] One of the letters attributed to John says that God will give us us anything we ask him if is in harmony with his will. Certainly you requesting such would be in harmony with his will, presuming the god exists. Right?

  Since you believe in the Bible, it might be helpful to consider the story in the book of Daniel (see chapter 6) about the time when the king of Medo-Persia passed a law saying that no one was to pray to anyone for 30 days except to the king. According to the story Daniel chose to openly/visibly pray to Jehovah, knowing what the punishment under the law would be.
  
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  Isn't Canada Great, even close to a Spiritual Paradise?

  by Disillusioned JW in

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  a moment ago i clicked onto the link at https://bigglobaltravel.com/cities/funny-pictures-canada-yh/?utm_campaign=canada%20pictures%20shira1606%20dup0109%20msn%20edg%20en%20-%20desktop%20usa%20ya&utm_source=yahoo&utm_medium=msn_us&utm_content=msn.com&psl=g_61cd4e&network_code=cm which shows slides of canada.

  viewing those slides (in combination with the other things i have seen and heard about canada) made me feel that maybe canada is about as close as one can get in the western world to a nation which is now a spiritual paradise, much like a new peaceful order now.

  imagine that the usa would never have had a civil war.

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  What the world needs is more love - https://www.lyrics.com/lyric/16409317/The+O%27Jays/Love+Train . I love the "Love Train" song by the O'Jays. The release date for the song is December 1972. It is from the time of my early youth. Let's make the world a better place by all of us being more peaceful and by being more loving to one another. OK?

  
  
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  OMG Gretta von funberg is trying to sing

  by mickbobcat in

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  this stupid little autistic twit is a no talent hack.

  she can not dance, sing or even talk well.

  the liberal idiots follow this little idiot like she is the oracle of delphi.

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  Disillusioned JW

  For those of you who said that Greta is stupid and/or unintelligent, tell us how your grades in 9th grade compared to her grades in 9th grade. Were you an A student in 9th grade? In my prior post I provided documentation that Great was an A student in 9th grade.
  
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  OMG Gretta von funberg is trying to sing

  by mickbobcat in

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  this stupid little autistic twit is a no talent hack.

  she can not dance, sing or even talk well.

  the liberal idiots follow this little idiot like she is the oracle of delphi.

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  Disillusioned JW

  I'm slightly revising what I said earlier. Part of my impression of Greta probably being a prodigy is that her small size gave me the impression that she is much younger than I later realized she is. Yesterday I learned that she is now 18 years old (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greta_Thunberg) despite being small.

  Regarding how smart she is, the Wikipedia article says "She finished lower secondary school with good grades.[65] In July 2019, Time magazine reported Thunberg was taking a "sabbatical year" from school ... " and it says that "In 2019 she completed the 9th grade (the completion of lower secondary education in Sweden) with excellent grades, 14 As, and Bs in three subjects:[36] Swedish, home economics and physical education.[37]" She is thus smart even if she is not a prodigy.
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  OMG Gretta von funberg is trying to sing

  by mickbobcat in

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  this stupid little autistic twit is a no talent hack.

  she can not dance, sing or even talk well.

  the liberal idiots follow this little idiot like she is the oracle of delphi.

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  Disillusioned JW

  I don't see how anyone could think that Greta Thunberg is stupid. She has a brilliant mind, and is probably even a prodigy in regards to promoting political action about climate change and in regards to her leadership ability. I am very impressed with her.